Welcome to /r/FanTheories! For requests, comments, or to hear his pitch for a third Avatar series that incorporates robots, you can reach him atbs.zachary@gmail.com. With the supporting power from space stone, soul stone and power stone, the effects of time stone won't really help Strange to defeat Thanos. >Dr. In the end, Doctor Strange pulls off a massive win for the Avengers and humanity because he chooses the one future scenario where the Infinity Stones are not only gone, but Thanos is also out of the picture. At first, it appears that Doctor Strange gives the Time Stone to Thanos in exchange for Tony's life. It's a pretty solid supposition that this journey may provide the Avengers with a means to travel back in time without the use of the Time Stone. There may be only one way to do that. Strange moved the apple forward after only practicing with the Stone for a minute - imagine what he would be capable of if he had just a little more time to hone his skills. and Strange responds "If I tell you, it won't happen" (I'm paraphrasing here, these might not be their exact quotes), but we can infer that means that Strange thinks he's still on track with his vision (If we were already off track he could just say "No this different already but it doesn't mean its impossible to win" or something like that). It's logical to assume, however horrifying the implications, that Strange can use the Time Stone to force people to undergo this effect as well. He also conducts industry interviews, is a Rotten Tomatoes certified film critic, and knows a LOT about the X-Men. WebDr. A similar decision was taken by Stephen who can see into the multiverse when he handed Thanos the Time Stone, which seemed ridiculous at first but was necessary to save his reality. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is now playing in theaters worldwide. And yes, I understand that Thanos had other stones that would allow him to be less susceptible to the time stone's power, but the stones, as far as I know, don't act independently. While Strange could control time with the Time stone, Thanos could control reality with the reality stone. Throughout the courses, he has worked on a number of short films and documentaries. If you didnt know, then Doctor Strange at his absolute best had fought someone who was wielding all the Infinity Stones, and thats Adam Warlock. The rat had to free Ant-man randomly. Ever since the release of Avengers: Infinity War last year, fans have pondered what, exactly, Doctor Strange's long term plans are after willingly surrendering the Time Stone to Thanos after the battle on Titan. Does Thor aim for the head? Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. That is why the story of Jesus Christ resonates so strongly with people because they believe he sacrificed himself to save everyone. I feel like together, they would have prevented Thanos from obtaining the Time and Mind stone leaving Thor with the ability to cut off his head. or does he go into a "void" so to speak only to re-emerge later when the hulk snaps everyone back? RELATED: How Marvel's Eternals Hid in Plain Sight for Thousands of Years. It also could be that Strange was only able to access successful futures feasible in his universe. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. Round 2: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. grave and saved an incalculable amount of lives. Tony Stark must earn the respect of Thanos during the fight so that he does not simply kill him because he can. But there wasn't enough onscreen proof that the events casted by reality stone is more than hyper-realistic illusion, and DS might be able to see through it given that he is a soccerer supreme. RELATED:Avengers: Endgame LEGO Set Reveals a Massive Upgrade for War Machine. Despite a brief jaunt in Mathematics at Durham University, film writing was always his calling. I like the comparison when Thanos changed the piece of scrap metal that got dropped on him into some type of large dark bats and when Doctor Strange did something similar to him he was expecting something worse and got butterflies. 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So, even if the reality stone or space stone could be used in ways to counteract the time stone, Thanos himself would need adequate time for his body to actually respond to the stimulus, which he wouldn't be able to do with time stopped/slowed significantly. Perhaps there's a way to break Thanos' contract with the Stone. This would ultimately lead to Earth-616's Avengers embarking on atime heist, restoring all life throughout the universe, and reducing Thanos' army with the snap of Iron Man's nano gauntlet inAvengers: Endgame. Almost all of the heros have made major self sacrifices in order to save others in the past. But a key moment in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 might as well have been written as a rebuttal to Strange's inaction in the film. Maw stopped Strange from casting a spell with the time stone, the stones thanos has can be used to do the same thing. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Marvel confirms Doctor Strange could have easily stopped Thanos by using a horrific time-manipulation technique. He brutally grabs Thanos' throat and forces him to experience his entire life asthe Conquererliterally ages the Mad Titan to death. Plus, while we have seen Thanos used the most basic form of time manipulation but simply turning the time back, he is not a socerer so there is no gurantee he could cast/undo the higher form of spells such as time-loop. She's important too. Being trapped for millennia would certainly have an impact, but as presented Thanos is a true unstoppable force. @kell_saloks: I don't think Strange can use another spell while doing time-stop. I also wonder why Doctor Strange didn't just use the time stone to defeat Thanos. And what of the titular "endgame" itself? It took him 14 million possibilities to one that they succeeded in. A place to discuss Plotholes, Continuity errors or even unexplained events for Movies, Books, Games, or anything else you can think of, Press J to jump to the feed. They may have even ended the battle before Thanos even touched ground on Earth-838, meaning that Thanos would have been missing the Time and Mind Stones before completing the set. In Eternals, the Celestial Arishem reveals that he seeded another Celestial within the Earth's core and that it will emerge when they gain "vast amounts of energy from intelligent life." But either way, it's still a compelling theory that's fun to believe in, as it adds even more weight to Strange's Infinity War actions. ADVERTISEMENT The other key difference between the two situations is knowledge of the Time Stone. None of the other allies can die. You can follow him on Twitter @samstoneshow and ask him about Nintendo, pop punk, and Star Trek. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. There is always a chance but by himself he would not have much of one with out doing something dramatic like when he fought the Hulk He used the po Also, The Ancient One mentions that she can't see beyond her death so there may have also been some in that 14 million which they did succeed but Strange died before seeing that possibility and so counted it as a fail. The Mad Titan could avoid this risk entirely, or it could spell out his final fate as part of Strange's larger plan. Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Seeing as the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need to accomplish their goals, the Illuminati probably didn't have to endure five years of hardship before going back in time to get old versions of the Stones the way the Avengers did. I think that's one of the reason why Doctor Strange did not used the Time stone during the infinity war. Thanos on the other hand is the opposite. The portal is just used to travel in universe, Strange can't even use it to get back to Earth from Titan. You have raised a good point though, personally I was under the impression that the loop spell can only be undo by Doctor Strange himself (the caster), since no matter how many times Dormammu destroyed him along with the eye of agamotto which contains the stone itself (from within the time-incarnations) over and over again through countless time loops, and it still could not break the spell. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Joshua Isaak is a Comics Staff Writer for Screenrant and attended New York University. Warning - the rest of this article contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. ), -No Ant man still? Yes, its Thanos. Are you willing to sacrifice others in order bring about the greater good. But while some have laid the blame for all that chaos at the feet of certain heroes, things might have worked out for the best, given how dangerous things could have gone for the heroes. He tried to on Titan, but this time it is actually in the EOA. Attempting to use his magic to find a better way might have set off an Incursion as well. Screen Rant's Managing Editor, Alex Leadbeater has been covering film online since 2012 and been a permanent fixture of SR since 2016. Share Improve this answer Follow edited Apr 9, 2020 at 4:42 A.R.K 103 6 Or in the round 3 when Strange is allowed foresight vision on what is going to happen? Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? I think he had the sling ring. He once asked Tom Cruise about his supposedly fake-butt in Valkyrie (he swore it was all real). In light of this, a recent fan theory proposes that Strange foresaw the emergence from Eternals. Thanos can basically use the stones to make a bubble of independent reality around his body, meaning he can still act outside of time. "Thanos obtaining all the stones is, therefore, the only way Strange can truly win at this point. Thanos will do what he is supposed to do every time and Dr. He knows that he has the ability to alter the time stream, so I presume he was considering those possibilities as well in his 14 million options. The Illuminati Is All but Confirmed for 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness', Marvel's New Trailer for 'Doctor Strange 2' Has Fans Wondering if Wanda is the Villain, 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' Will Be the Scariest MCU Movie Yet. I'm under the impression that four stones should be more powerful than just one. Thousands of other tiny variables that could affect the outcome of the battle. While none of these is a resolute explanation,they show that Doctor Strange putting Thanos in a timeloop may not be as foolproof as it may initially seem. Strange himself used the time stone to trap Dormammu and his dimension in a time loop. Would have made for a Basically, it still brings me back to my original point: unless the stones act independently, and only in the best interest of Thanos, how would Thanos be able to react in time to actually activate the other stones' powers? Let's be real here: Dr. Strange affected freaking Dormammu with his atomic manipulation , if Dormammu had hard time against it, then Thanos has no @doomstoaa: I'll ask again confirmed where? Sam Stone is a 10th level pop culture guru living just outside of Washington, DC who knows an unreasonable amount about The Beatles. On-screen stone feats Contains spoilers for Avengers: Mech Strike #4! Otherwise any number of other people present when he has the stones uses them or seeks them out or becomes a bigger threat. Dormammu resides in a different dimension, not a different universe. How, exactly, the Quantum Realm and Ant-Man will play a factor in Thanos' final defeat has yet to be seen, but before their deaths at the hands of the Mad Titan, Pym did leave behind a mobile lab to venture deeper into the microscopic world while original Wasp Janet Van Dyne warned Scott of time vortices within the Realm before he returned for an exploratory mission. All of that leads to one big question, however - what happened in all of those alternate futures that Doctor Strange saw in Avengers: Infinity War? Strange will only reset his memory after the end of each loop. Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain thanks to giving Thanos the Time Stone and allowing him to kill countless (in the name of eventually restoring them all). While Sprite is resentful of them, Makkari points out that humans "defeated Thanos, and saved half the universe," showing that the Avengers' actions had an impact on how the Eternals viewed Earth. Allowing him to sense the passage, even within a loop, was key to wearing down his defenses(and rounding out Doctor Strange'sexploration of the fear of death). @doomstoaa: Again where was it confirmed he could do the time loop specifically again outside of Dormammus dimension lol? Personally, I can't help but ponder that even with four stones on the gauntlet (power, space, reality and soul), Thanos would still have a difficult time (if not downright impossible) beating a time stone Doctor Strange, especially if he has prepped and time loop activitated --. People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. During the battle on Titan at the end of Infinity War, it's assumed that Doctor Strange did everything he could to However based on onscreen feats, I'm not sure either of them could counter the effect of time Stone. The biggest hole in this theory is that the Time Stone itself could be powerful enough on its own to reverse the damage to the Gauntlet or Etri's hands, as seen by Thanos using the Stone to restore Vision after his temporary destruction at the hands of Scarlet Witch. Fantastic, and Doctor Strange, Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir, the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need, because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life, Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos, Iron Man: Disney Releases Never-Before-Seen Post-Credits Clip Online, Mario MOVIE Director Confirms Princess Peach's Role Reversal. If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. First using the six Stones to decimate half of the universe and then themselves, he indicated that he was willing to eliminate all life everywhere in Endgame before the Avengers took him down, turning him and his army to dust. Are these dimensions part of the same universe though? New Movie News, Movie Trailers & upcoming Movie Reviews, Eternals Theory: Doctor Strange Gave Up the Time Stone to Delay the Emergence, Doctor Strange 2 Already Proved the Most Powerful Avenger's Worst Loss Made Him Stronger, How Marvel's Eternals Hid in Plain Sight for Thousands of Years, Eternals' Best Twist Was Making Its Superman the Secret Villain, A Lord of the Rings Theory Hints Tom Bombadil Was in the Movies All Along, 10 Actors Who Have What It Takes To Play Superman In The New DCU, The Flash Still Shows Best Look Yet at Supergirl's Costume. A new fan theory for Avengers: Endgame explains why exactly Doctor Strange gave the Time Stone willingly to Thanos despite knowing the consequences. The turning tide will likely come from the most unlikely source and, with Scott Lang alive and well, the smallest Avenger may ultimately make the biggest impact. Perhaps, duringhis fight with Thanos in Infinity War, he could have aged Thanos into an early (late?) However, as a Reddit fan theory from user LuckyMe111 points out, Doctor Strange did nothing to stop Star-Lord from punching Thanos and awakening him. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness showed an alternate ending to Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame where Thanos was defeated on Earth-838. Related: The MCU's Next Big Villain Just Handed Thanos His Most Shocking Defeat. In his spare time, Ben is usually watching movies, playing games and running D&D games for friends (and hopes to one day actually be a player). By halving life on all planets, he essentially delayed the destruction of many Celestial-seeded worlds. So i doubt Strange can use that on such a hurry situation. Redditor Thomascgalvin suggests that, while viewing the alternate futures, Strange came to the realization that Thanos' use of the Infinity Gauntlet's full power was a one-time only feat. Dormammu isn't just new to the concept of time, he doesn't understand the sorcery Strange is employing (who didn't know it was an Infinity Stone). Kind of a plot armor argument I think but to take it sincerely: -We have Thanos w/ Power - Space - Soul Stone, -With the black Order in full power (Minus Gamora and Nebula), -With Chitauri Army (Or whatever assaulted Wakanda in Infinity War), -The Avengers with the Mind Stone (attached to Vision) and Time Stone, -No Hulk (Because he wasn't coming out at the time of infinity war), -Maybe the guardians of the galaxy? It turns out that these heroes ended up "at war" with the forces of Thanos as well and were as desperate as the heroes of the MCU to stop his plans. If that's the case, how would Thanos know to use dark magic to protect himself against a threat that he couldn't even fathom yet (in terms of knowing how the magic itself actually works)? Warning! Perhaps that needn't have happened if Doctor Strange had used the Time Stone's full powers just one film earlier. WebThe Real Reason Doctor Strange Didn't Fight Thanos Himself In Avengers: Endgame - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 2 The Real Reason Tom Cruise's Iron Man Wasn't In Doctor Strange 2 - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 3 Why doctor strange didn't use time stone on thanos #shorts - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 4 International political treaties are the reason why nuclear weapons are basically just expensive line items on a budget, not an actual tool of war now. Would he be froze still or can he still perform? RELATED: Doctor Strange Is Undoubtedly the MCUs Best Babysitter. His best shot would be with the reality stone, but I felt the reality he projected were more of an illusion than actual reality-wraping (otherwise he could re-shape the whole universe with just that one stone instead of having to collect all six), while illusions would work on almost everyone on avengers, being a master of mystic art, Strange MIGHT be able to see through it, especially if he had prep/forseen it. With that in mind, Strange was counting on Thanos using the fully-powered Gauntlet to render it useless following the snap before posthumously enacting his master plan to somehow undo its effects. Some point out that Thanos' goal was to prevent overpopulation in the universe, and it's also possible that he knew of the Celestials and how they emerge. This came after this universe's Doctor Strange used the Darkhold to Dream Walk across the Multiverse and use a plan different from the one the prime Strange used in Infinity War, in which Thanos won and killed half of humanity for five years. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? The trio run into more than half of the Guardians of the Galaxy, including Star-Lord (Chris Pratt), Mantis (Pom Klementieff), Drax (Dave Bautista), and Nebula (Karen Gillan). Tony Stark must do enough damage to Thanos to make him bleed and demonstrate to him that he can be defeated. Looking back at this scene, it appears that Thanos was well on his way to replicating what he did in the prime MCU as he fought the Illuminati on Titan. In Thanos had the infinity gauntlet, he probably has a better chance of winning but doctor Strange if one of the more smart characters in the MCU, Is this the one?" The primary alternate reality that takes up part of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' plot is Earth-838. During Infinity War, in the battle of Titan, Doctor Strange was denied the opportunity of using his time stone against Thanos due to the (IMO) ingenuine-albeit-cop-out limitation of "one victory out of 14,000,605 possibilities" imposed by the scripted writer/directors. And he also didn't have his sling ring or else they could've regrouped on earth after they landed on titan. While on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. Stopping someone like Thanos would always take sacrifice, and the ultimate cost of Endgame at least wasn't an entire reality. His victory in Avengers:Infinity War ultimately comes down to his sheer force of will and ability to do what the Avengers and Guardians wouldn't to achieve his goal. There are practically infinite possibilities and who's to say that there aren't more but he just didn't look past that first one. 14 million is closer to zero than it is to infinity. However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. ", Some of these comments show why the ancient one would NEVER have given you the time stone. The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? In the world of chess, an "endgame" strategy refers to the tactic of promoting a pawn into a more powerful piece and turn the tide of the game. For the same reason he didn't just cut Thanos' hand off or his head like they did the other guy. This exposed him to new plans and ways to combat Thanos, hinting that there may have been solutions present that didn't require Doctor Strange's plan in the MCU. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 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